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Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby Terje_P » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:14 pm

Anyone know about any known good optical drives that are able skip bad sectors fast? Mine dont appear to be.

When it hits a bad sector, it stalls at 0.1x when dumping VOB Protect CDs with Alcohol 52%.

Even with the fast error skip option enabled.
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby myloch » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:20 pm

Other sub-question: keep using a cdrom player to dump discs without fast error skipping can lead to premature destruction of drive motor?
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby Terje_P » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:37 pm

:hi: CloneCD is alot quicker with these 20 year old games.

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I 18:25:31 CloneCD Version 5.3.4.0 started!
I 18:25:31 ElbyCDIO Driver 6.1.1.3
I 18:25:31 ElbyCDIO.dll 6.1.9.1
I 18:25:31 CCDDriver.dll 5.3.0.1
I 18:25:31 ElbyECC.dll 4.0.0.0
I 18:25:31 WriteDVD.dll 2.6.6.3
W 18:25:35 Registered to: UNREGISTERED
W 18:25:35 21 of 21 Trial Days remaining!
I 18:25:35 Searching for SCSI/ATAPI devices...
I 18:25:36 Device Scan found 0 CD-ROMs and 1 CD-Writers!
I 18:26:45 Starting copy from Optiarc DVD RW AD-7200S to C:\Users\terje\AppData\Local\Temp\IMAGE.ccd
I 18:26:45 Read Speed for Data Tracks: Maximum
I 18:26:45 Read Speed for Audio Tracks: Maximum
I 18:26:45 Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: No
I 18:26:45 Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: No
I 18:26:45 Fast Error Skip: Yes
I 18:26:45 Don't report read errors: Yes
I 18:26:45 Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner: Yes
I 18:26:45 CD contains CD-Text: No
I 18:26:45 Reading Track 1... (Blocks 0-321138)
I 18:29:15 Reading Track 2... (Blocks 321138-321213)
I 18:29:15 Reading Track 3... (Blocks 321213-321513)
I 18:29:16 Reading Track 4... (Blocks 321513-324663)
I 18:29:52 Fast Error Skip has been enabled automatically!
I 18:29:52 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:29:58 Writing Dummy Sectors 321618 to 321718
I 18:30:04 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:30:10 Writing Dummy Sectors 321719 to 321819
I 18:30:16 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:30:22 Writing Dummy Sectors 321820 to 321920
I 18:30:28 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:30:34 Writing Dummy Sectors 321921 to 322021
I 18:30:40 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:30:46 Writing Dummy Sectors 322022 to 322122
I 18:30:52 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:30:58 Writing Dummy Sectors 322123 to 322223
I 18:31:04 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:31:10 Writing Dummy Sectors 322224 to 322324
I 18:31:16 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:31:22 Writing Dummy Sectors 322325 to 322425
I 18:31:28 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:31:34 Writing Dummy Sectors 322426 to 322526
I 18:31:40 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:31:46 Writing Dummy Sectors 322527 to 322627
I 18:31:52 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:31:58 Writing Dummy Sectors 322628 to 322728
I 18:32:04 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:32:10 Writing Dummy Sectors 322729 to 322829
I 18:32:16 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:32:22 Writing Dummy Sectors 322830 to 322930
I 18:32:28 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:32:34 Writing Dummy Sectors 322931 to 323031
I 18:32:40 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:32:46 Writing Dummy Sectors 323032 to 323132
I 18:32:52 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:32:58 Writing Dummy Sectors 323133 to 323233
I 18:33:04 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:33:10 Writing Dummy Sectors 323234 to 323334
I 18:33:16 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:33:22 Writing Dummy Sectors 323335 to 323435
I 18:33:28 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:33:34 Writing Dummy Sectors 323436 to 323536
I 18:33:40 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:33:51 Writing Dummy Sectors 323537 to 323613
I 18:34:21 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:34:27 Writing Dummy Sectors 323818 to 323918
I 18:34:34 Scanning bad sectors...
W 18:34:51 Writing Dummy Sectors 323919 to 324013
I 18:34:53 Duration of operation: 00:08:07
I 18:34:53 Average Speed: 1564 kBytes/s (8.89)
I 18:34:53 Reading finished!


That is at least reasonable if it can produce a working copy. I believe Alcohol is supposed to have such a scanner too, but I couldnt get it to work.

Nah, game launches with the Alcohol image which took hours to create and not with CloneCD image.

Granted the game itself is not made for Windows 10, but that is my experience at least.

Edit

With the .ccd file mounted in virtual clone drive and the hide CD-R media option enabled the game starts.

Virtual image software was always a little bit hit or miss in my opinion.

Also work with Daemon Tools if you mount with the CCD file, I thought Daemon Tools automatically loaded the need files. The hide CD-R media option in CloneCD do need to be enabled though. It increases your chance of the game launching at the very least.

The hide CD-R media option is not needed with Alcohol 52% image mounted in Daemon Tools lite.

Hide CDR Media: If you enable this option you could hide CD-R Media from your CD drives, they will be recognized as Source CDs. This could be an advantage in some isolated cases. The Tray Icon changes its colour, depending on the status of this option. This option is disabled in the USA.


Looked closely at my log, noticed that sub channel data for audio and data was not enabled, in order to enable this choose Game CD instead of protected PC Game in CloneCD.

if you do that the hide CD-R media option don't need to be enabled.

That makes sense as sub channel data is enabled in the VOB ProtectCD profile of Alcohol 52%

Will vertify this later, as I could just be going crazy :x
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby hfric » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:25 am

you got a Sony Optiarc mate , those are know to have chip to hinder CDA dumps of music ... since SONY ... buy a cheap Ebau108 from Liteon , a external Burner that can do anything shady and burn all your backup media for CD\DVD ... it even has a media function so you can use it on TVs by plugin it straight to the USB ... and the external burner would work like a DVD player or media center :lol:
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby Terje_P » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:13 pm

One of the reviews I found for that one complained about burning issues.
https://youtu.be/JL_5es2VMqE?t=322
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby hfric » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:25 pm

:roll: a review from a dimwit that uses nero on shady media , i never had a issue ... never use nero , its given to anything since Liteon gets money from it aka paid advert ... Nero was good when they wanted to bring AVC to home media (H264 Mp4) before anyone else ...and push the DVD\HD DVD\BD burning\viewing of movies ... but now ,meh

So now you will check the video footage again ... Ebau108 from Liteon like any other external burner is a External Plastic Enclosure Case with a Laptop Burner Inside ... its made for burn speeds of 8x max (for perfect burns you write in 4x speed anyways CD\DVD), you can go above but them you have to use the rubber STICKY FEET on a STEADY TABLE SURFACE (not on a SLIPPERY PC CASE) ...or place on top this drive something heavy since the drive will vibrate and move (ALL EXTERNAL DRIVES HAVE THIS thats why they are in something heavy) ... if you ask what about the reading speeds , they never vibrated the drive ... only in some cases if the disc had heavy scratches

and if they drive will vibrate and move of course the burn will fail
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby hfric » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:23 pm

other then that you can also get Liteon iHAS524B thats the burner that can only and only do perfect clones of XBOX360 games when you had to Overburn DVD9 ... you can never go wrong with a Liteon Burner they dump all with a ease and burn all CP with ease ...
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby Terje_P » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:50 pm

Do you know if the Liteon IHAS122-14 have fast error skip?

The only Liteon model I could find locally aside from that USB optical drive, dont want to feed ebay scalpers..

https://www.multicom.no/lite-on-22x-dvd ... c/p7158459

Got this one instead from a Danish owned store.
https://www.computersalg.no/i/2034037/l ... %20iHAS324
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?

Postby hfric » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:40 am

if you want to go cheap LG drives can also error-skip but they are crappy cheap and don't last for long ... Liteon burners are ok http://www.liteonodd.com/en/dvd-interna ... as124.html they called it Smart-X :lol:

dunno about this model , but there where some issues with some previous Ihas ... not in the dumping\burning department for consoles like Wii\Xbox360 but well ehm ... but those drives could be loud like WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR since they can custom re-write itself to get 1:1 burns\dumps .. and sometimes ... they go JET PLANE x90 LOUD for 3min ... sometimes :lol:
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Re: Optical drives that support fast skipping?  Topic is solved

Postby Terje_P » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:20 pm

Got the drive I ordered now.

I have now enabled the bad sector scanning feauture in alcohol 120% and set it to factor 100 which is the default.
It may still not support fast error skip as I though it would do, but at least it dont take half a day now.

http://support.alcohol-soft.com/en/en/d ... ptions.htm

That is a good enough solution for now, probably should have bought the one Hfric suggested. A safedisc protected game I had got copied without any issues though.
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