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otiscrusher, so what's your favorite fps? Halo, bet on soldier, Serious Sam 2 or?
No, thanks, not these shitty ones. Don't like modern FPS, except COD 4 but it's also one time play.
Well, it's a tough question, actually... It's like with a movie. I have some really favorite shooters. But I can't select the most favorite. Too hard, different games, different atmospheres...
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hurenBock wrote:but 3d shooters should have 60 fps thats the best case
Well they should have, but not everybody is stupid enough to buy new hardware every year. And devs forget to optimize their games. If there is a program that improves the performance without buying new hardware then its good.
otiscrusher wrote:I have some really favorite shooters. But I can't select the most favorite.
Well mention all of your favorites then. You mentioned Cod4, but I have the same opinion about this game as you have about Crysis.
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Oyn wrote:I had an argument about this on irc a few days ago... 20fps really isn't that bad if you consider that motion pictures are ~24fps. Probably 30-35fps is ideal. 60fps an up just looks... weird, too fluid for reality. This is demonstrated by some games that actually lower the framerate during cutscenes to make them look more 'cinematic'.

Oh, the point I was trying to make is that a consistent framerate is really more important than a huge number of frames.
What annoys me with new games like Crysis and others is the very very bad optimazation performance setting.Of course game developers work hand in hand with graphic card manufacturers and as such and want customers to buy their new cards but IHMO they should also look at customers only wanting to buy the game and play it on 1024x768 with around 25FPs.I got very angry after reading through Crysis Tweak Guides and the bad middle-performance setting in Crysis.Just dont have the time to spend hours and hours tweaking the last setting just to get rid of shaders,shadows and stuff i dont need for playing.The Crytek Support sucks and also the UBI support.Dont know whats in their mind but they just cant expect customers following the madness of upgrading because of non-slim and worse performance tweak programming.
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Well they should have, but not everybody is stupid enough to buy new hardware every year.
So, if I buy a new PC every year it makes me moron, then? No sense at all. If I'm not a low-life sucker who hardly earns money for food then I shouldn't make an upgrade, too? Ppl who buy a new rig every year have money, for ex, for me it's nothing to buy a new hi-end PC every year. But only if it's really neccessary. But, yeah, modern games simply don't deserve a new rig every year. Atleast, 99% of them.
And devs forget to optimize their games.
That's true. Crysis has the worst optim ever.
If there is a program that improves the performance without buying new hardware then its good.
Such progs can't simply exist. You can't have additional 15-20 fps without quality decreasing. And 2-3 fps boost is a joke.
Well mention all of your favorites then.
NOLF 1-2, D3D, Q2, Half-Life 1-2, NWN 1-2, Ghost Recon (with addons), Blood 1-2, Soldier of Fortune 1-2, SW: KOTOR 1-2, TC Splinter Cell (all), Unreal 1-2, Severance, Aliens vs Predator 2, Need for Speed 4, Carmageddon 1-2, Delta Force 1-2, Hidden & Dangerous 2, Interstate '82
You mentioned Cod4, but I have the same opinion about this game as you have about Crysis.
So?
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Lifeforce wrote:What annoys me with new games like Crysis and others is the very very bad optimazation performance setting.
Considering what the game offers from the tech side, its very well optimized. Ofcource they could have gone on the easiest way and make it FarCry 1.5, but they did not. You have to understand that the game is oozing with technology: breakable trees, very high view distance, autonomous AI, high amount of shaders, huge maps, voxels, high polycount etc., so obviously the game runs on 20fps sometimes, even on high end machines. We are lucky they made it possible to run this game at all on lowspec. My hardware is 7 years old, but I still am able to run it. Beat that.
otiscrusher wrote: NOLF 1-2, D3D, Q2, Half-Life 1-2, NWN 1-2, Ghost Recon (with addons), Blood 1-2, Soldier of Fortune 1-2, SW: KOTOR 1-2, TC Splinter Cell (all), Unreal 1-2, Severance, Aliens vs Predator 2, Need for Speed 4, Carmageddon 1-2, Delta Force 1-2, Hidden & Dangerous 2, Interstate '82
pfff, I have played 70% of them and they are major suckage. Dunno what did you find in them.
otiscrusher wrote:Such progs can't simply exist. You can't have additional 15-20 fps without quality decreasing. And 2-3 fps boost is a joke.
Its more than 2-3fps boost. Also if the game runs really bad then one can always decrease the quality and have the game looking like Halo 2.
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pfff, I have played 70% of them and they are major suckage. Dunno what did you find in them.
Tell me your favs and I'll tell you the same.What are your favs?
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FC, RF, Crysis, HelliAttack3, Matto 3-4.
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Matto is just a mod and these games - pure crap. I hate'em.
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otiscrusher wrote:So, if I buy a new PC every year it makes me moron, then?
Yes because that money could have been used for something better to take more steps forward in life
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Yes because that money could have been used for something better to take more steps forward in life
LOL. It's my money, I earn them and spend on whatever I want, don't you think? If you think differently - you're one pathetic moron. Or, you probably simply envy those ppl. There are many such ppl around who can't afford but pretend they simply don't need it. It's so typical, you know. :wink:
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There just aren't enough good pc games coming out anymore for me to bother upgrading every year or whatever. Also, I got sick of playing catch-up all the time, mostly the reason I stick to consoles to play new stuff.

Oh, and I would disagree that CoD4 is a 'one time play', multiplayer is ridiculously addictive, but I guess you wouldn't know unless you bought the game.
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There just aren't enough good pc games coming out anymore for me to bother upgrading every year or whatever.
agree.
mostly the reason I stick to consoles to play new stuff.
hate'em, I like fps which is strictly pc genre. Plus, you can't upgrade them. So, once you will be in stone age.
Oh, and I would disagree that CoD4 is a 'one time play', multiplayer is ridiculously addictive, but I guess you wouldn't know unless you bought the game.
I meant the singleplayer is a one time stuff. I don't play multiplayer because I see no point in it. Just pointless killings. And I like dialogs, read some texts, a plot, for god's sake. I'm not interested in killings of some ppl just for useless points, ranks or some other shit. But if you like - go ahead and play, I don't really care. Everybody chooses what he likes, after all.
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sure not all my 3d shooter games run with a framerate of 60 fps

just a few like doom 3, F.E.A.R , HL 2 , UT 2004 , Call of juarez , COD 4

btw i have a strange problem concerning doom 3
like said above its running constantly at 60 fps ( btw d3 uses a fps ticker that limits the fps so noone will get more than 60 just if one turns that thing of in the cfg and that doesnt increase performance btw )
but always when that stupid zombie soldier is shooting me with the shotgun ( just then ) the framerate drops that much

that its really noticeable.......
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btw i have a strange problem concerning doom 3
like said above its running constantly at 60 fps ( btw d3 uses a fps ticker that limits the fps so noone will get more than 60 just if one turns that thing of in the cfg and that doesnt increase performance btw )
but always when that stupid zombie soldier is shooting me with the shotgun ( just then ) the framerate drops that much

that its really noticeable.......
which video card do you have?
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i have an ati x1950 pro
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