DNF in good shape?

Doomed_Space_Marine · Post by **Doomed_Space_Marine** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:07 am

I’m sure most of you have watched the recent DNF footage shown in that Jace Hall video at 3D Realms. Not exactly showing itself off as ‘the most awesome game ever’ like it was in the classic 2001 trailer.

I know it is just a few minutes of stodgy video footage, but this thing looks like it is running on a modified id Tech 4 engine! That wouldn’t surprise me either, since they licensed that for Prey. While on Prey, that game P’oed me, big time. It was like the ultimate “screw you” to all patiently waiting Duke fans. 3D Realms couldn’t even bring Prey to fruition on their own, having to enlist the ex Raven guys at Human-Head to put it together. At least they got it done.

It seems like a lot of people working on DNF have still been (understandably) jumping ship, as 3D Realms as still looking for new map makers! If I knew there was no light at the end of the tunnel, I wouldn’t want to stick around either.

They (3D Realms) have made it no secret either that they will be pushing for a simultaneous release on the PC & Xbox 360, if they ever got it together. They have started from scratch so many times, it seems like they are just going backwards.

My final thoughts are in the beginning Broussard wanted Forever to be the ultimate FPS, and for it to do everything new, and completely different from every other FPS. But Half-Life, and other games came along, and did those things in the meantime while they were sitting on DNF, and the rest is, as they say, history.

Narfous · Post by **Narfous** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:31 am

well if you give anything a gloss, it's "ITS RUNNING idtech4 I HAVE INSIDE INFO"

Doomed_Space_Marine · Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:08 am

hypdream · Post by **hypdream** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:02 am

On the forum, they have made it clear many times, that the game runs on a heavy-modified unreal egine.

The have completly rewritten the renderer, and added many new things, so you can almost speak of a new engine.....

Look on the forums of Duke Nukem Forever at the 3D Realms website.... you can find all information there, regarding the game.....

L8r!

Narfous · Post by **Narfous** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:55 am

NO ITS NOT!!! it uses source engine now!!!!! i have prove i read it on wiki pediea

hypdream · Post by **hypdream** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:56 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever

You mean here?

Post by **loki1985** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:59 pm

Narfous wrote:NO ITS NOT!!! it uses source engine now!!!!! i have prove i read it on wiki pediea

lol. one moment, i will edit the article so that we then have proof the game will use a heavily modified Doom1 engine.

hypdream · Post by **hypdream** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:55 am

Post by **Tadrio** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:53 pm

Anyone else disappointed by the few frames they saw? Yeah I know, it's too early to judge, and Broussard himself said that you can't really say anything about the game from what you saw.

It's just that it was soooo made to look like every other horror shooter out there. Total overkill of effects, so dark that you can't see how bad the levels look. It seems like it totally lacks any detail. And the details were what made the environments of Duke3D so interesting.

If anything is going to make DNF a failure after its release, its probably because the soul of its predecessors will have been taken away, in order to make another Doom 3 or Prey or whatever, so that the masses can digest it without having to adapt to something new.

Doomed_Space_Marine · Post by **Doomed_Space_Marine** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:13 am

If anything is going to make DNF a failure after its release, its probably because the soul of its predecessors will have been taken away, in order to make another Doom 3 or Prey or whatever, so that the masses can digest it without having to adapt to something new.

Yeah. I would agree with that.

3D Realms got a lot of positive feedback for Prey, which is basically just a corridor shooter with some nice tricks added in. I certainly didn’t think it was anything revolutionarily. But this seems to be just enough for the average gamer, and most critics too it would seem.

I played Crysis earlier this year, and while the technical execution is very well done, it doesn’t stray far from what was set down by Half-Life almost a decade ago. It arguably takes the best elements from past shooters, and merges them into the one game. Innovation is more or less put out to pasture.

I think it was last year Broussard said they hired a consultant for the DNF project to put everything into ‘perspective’. What this basically says is making the game within certain constraints, whether technically or creatively. Putting a bottle neck on the ambitiousness of the project in a nutshell.

I think, hypothetically of course, if the game ever came out, it would sell ^&*# loads regardless of the quality of the final product. I still think it would be basically a fun game, but it just wouldn’t rock your world like it could have all those years ago.

I really want them to prove me wrong, but I have serious doubts.

hypdream · Post by **hypdream** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:52 am

I also must agree...

I have been following the DEV through all these years, and I am not sure what to expect. I think they will have a hard time to please the fans which still think about Duke 3D, and the impact it had , at that time.

I must say that I liked the small trailer, and video parts which were released the last months.... I do not look at the graphics as the main factor for success, I really want to now about the interactivity, and the main plot....

But as these facts are still unknown, it's a wild guess what to expect...
I am pretty sure, 3D Realms know what they are doing, so i don't think that it will dissapoint.....

L8r!

Post by **Tadrio** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:00 am

Doomed_Space_Marine wrote:I still think it would be basically a fun game, but it just wouldn’t rock your world like it could have all those years ago.

There's something else I have noticed: Yes, I am less excited about DNF then I was 7 years ago when the E3 trailer came out. But unfortunately it's not just that the excitement has worn off over the years - it's actually that what I have seen in the 2001 trailer would, even today, be more exciting to me than how things seem to be now. I would not care if the game looked like it did in 2001 if only it was still as ambitious as it was back then.

Post by **hurenBock** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:11 am

lol this game will never come out...... u think diffrent ? ok....... dream on

this is just marketing strategy to keep the duke fans warm.....
how long they want to wait ? they keep telling the same sh!t for 7 years now.......

i dont believe that it will ever be released but if....... it will be the same like daikatana if you know what i mean........

are they dumb or what ? " they wait to let it be the ultimate game that pwnes all other shooters "

technology goes further day by day....... and according to that fact
there will never be the right time for releasing the game.... lol

and before i get flamed and fukked up until i burn....... idk anything official about this..... but im pretty sure that theres not even a playable level........ok i dont want to be unfair, maybe the one they already showed @ E3 2001 ( was it 2001 ?...... does it matter ? lol )

ok they have that trailer but i fart on that sh!t.......

anyways, after all i dont get the hype about the game...... i still play the old duke3d on XP

and well its duke3d theres nothing more to say....
its old its good it has that special atmosphere, flair, etc.......

and i KNOW those old innovative games specially BLOOD, DUKE3D, DOOM, WOLF3d

cant be made better than they already are.......... i know there will always be people screaming.,... graphics graphics....... fukk graphics......

what do you want with a woman which looks awesome but is stupid like bread...... ok fukkin.......

well i believe nobody got what i tried to say but who cares

Post by **Tadrio** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:24 pm

I do think it will come out during the next 12 months or so.. what else would they keep the Duke fans warm for? They're a company and sooner or later they have to sell something. I don't think they could go on much longer like this... it's not the same as the last 10 years, because for the first time they're not just denying everything anymore. And they even let someone external play it, and record playing it.

But they probably blew that "pwns all other games" thing a long time ago. Expectations are now so high that it can only be a disappointment for most people, I guess.
And maybe by now they have also figured out that they cannot always stay on top of technology

It sure is a completely messed up management... a bit sad to see what has become of Apogee

Doomed_Space_Marine · Post by **Doomed_Space_Marine** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:54 am

I do think it will come out during the next 12 months or so.. what else would they keep the Duke fans warm for? They're a company and sooner or later they have to sell something.

I must admit, in regards to DNF, 3D Realms have been delivering what they have been promising in the last few months. When they put up that teaser video, they said they would show more of the game in coming months. And guess what? They did.

After watching the latest video it did pass through my mind that there was at least a very outside chance they would produce a game within the next year. But, the game has been in development hell since 1997, and 3D Realms seem to be financially secure without releasing it. Maybe they make enough moolah from sales of ancient Apogee label games, and hocking old wares on digital distribution networks like Duke 3D on xbox live. I don’t know. Your guess is as good as mine.

It has been absolutely forever since 3D Realms brought a game out from the in-house team. I think the last game they even finished on their own was Shadow Warrior. Though the dev on that wasn’t nearly as tumultuous as DNF, the same thing that happened with SW which is seemingly happening with DNF. Shadow Warrior started its life as Ninja Master in 1993, and didn’t make it out until 1997. The final game is rather a more by-the-numbers shooter than it was originally, -, e.g., in an earlier dev there were cool ninja weapons like the blowpipe & crossbow, and the enemies weren’t all monsters like in the final product. The game seemed much more distinctive before, but in the end was very much more like every other shooter by the time it was released. The same goes for BLOOD - I read in an old 1995 Apogee catalogue that in BLOOD you were meant to collect the souls of enemies in order to metamorphosis into a raging beast-creature, among other more innovative things which never made the final cut.

I think there is perhaps some chance DNF will be released, as 3D Realms have conceded that it is not trying to be the greatest FPS of all time. But all anyone can do is speculate. The latest in-game video footage admittedly doesn't give you much cause to cheer for, I must say.

I also think the game shown in the 2001 trailer - completely just exactly as it is - would be the most incredibly fun game ever, and would leave everything else around for skids. Bar none. I guess Duke just may have missed the boat by more than ten years. Only time will tell . . .