i cant say that here

Post by **hurenBock** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:41 am

well i was really surprised when i have seen this site.......i cant post the link im talking about the k exatly 3 of them

this is a shame those sites should get banned !!!!
unbelieveable that shit

Hellsgate · Post by **Hellsgate** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:46 am

what site you talking about

Post by **hurenBock** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:39 am

its not that i think that way but im afraid of baraka i really dont want to try it out

Schippy · Post by **Schippy** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:03 am

Can´t understand anything!?

Post by **3DShootMaster** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:04 am

He's talking about a racist site who's horrible. Think it's fine to share your opinion about things in the world, as long as you will not have any racist comments there is no reason to get banned by baraka.

If you got something on your mind and want to share with us don't bother to post...

-3DSM

Lifeforce · Post by **Lifeforce** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:46 am

Those sites HurenBock is refering to are so disgusting to me....

and i am happy to have sex-pop ups while surfing and not this shitass
stuff.

haakjay · Post by **haakjay** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:02 pm

I guess you just could tell us whats on the site

V-man · Post by **V-man** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:44 pm

I think that it is a shame how people ASK free speech to be restricted! Do you really want to be "protected" from "racism" from "terrorism" and so on at the expense of your own freedom? Is it "racists" who act like brain-washed maniacs - or is it us? Free speech is about the highest right I can think of! How comes it that everybody today seems to despise it?!

As a christian I find homosexuals to be disgusting to say the least. Still for them it is alright and I have to respect that. If I can (try to) do that, why can't you just try to respect the ideology of supremcists?

Society is a game about respect and today we belive in pluralism. Isn't it hypocritical to allow every weird idea and grant the extremest abomination social protection but silence critics by banning them?

Sorry guys, but I just can't understand this and it drives me mad when people operate a double standard!

Lifeforce · Post by **Lifeforce** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:01 am

@V-man
I agree with you to a certain point. Its somehow a bad double morality in europe handling the historys cruelty in some way and prohibiting
those symbols in games like "The Suffering" or "Blood Rayne", "RTCW" and all the games dealing with this.Cause i think everybody could understand the message of these games, that theres no connection of these games to any racism fundamentalism ground work...

Well, looking nto jails, you do see people waring Swatikas and such and why prohibiting it in games, which just give an impression of what it looks like behind the big curtains? So prohibiting is in my opinion a wrong turn...and shows a bad double morality. But...

I find this sites disgusting, because these racists blaim wrong persons for their situation.Its not the fault of asylum-seekers or immigrants which causes job problems, its the fault of politics and politicians and or possibly their own faults?! and as such, these racists should blaim them and or themselfs for their job crisis or frustrations.
Also i blieve and think, that "freedom" and "freedom of speech" has borders....an important border is reached, when someone penetrates others and their lifes (their freedom) or if different cultures where put in rankings like, whoÂ´s worth to live and whoÂ´s not! WhoÂ´s worth to live in once land and whoÂ´s not (not talking about asylum laws here only about personal subjective views) for ex. "that guy is colored and doesnt deserve living here in MY LAND" and other sayings of this matter.

For me theres a big difference in understanding and interpretation on "speech of freedom" between this this "racism crap" and for example the song "cop-killer" from ICE-T (1992) which was related to the brutality of police against Rodney King!

from the past...

This song came out originally on Body Count (1992), an album by a rap & heavy metal band of that name which Ice-T had been fronting. They had been playing a version of it in concert for a year, including as part of the 1991 Lollapalooza tour. The recorded version includes references to Rodney King, a black motorist whose beating by LAPD officers had been caught on videotape. Shortly after the record came out, a suburban jury acquitted the officers and riots broke out in South Central LA. Soon after that outbreak, a Dallas police group called for a boycott of the Ice-T record. Said Ice-T, who actually played a cop in the 1991 movie New Jack City, "I'm singing in the first person as a character who is fed up with police brutality. I ain't never killed no cop. I felt like it a lot of times. But I never did it." Soon, however, the offending song was removed from the record, and the next year, Warner Brothers dropped both the band and Ice-T as a solo artist.

Post by **Scaryfun** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:35 am

I still don't know what this topic was referring to, but equating homosexuality which is a person's sexual orientation and between consenting adults to that of racial supremacist groups which encourage hatred of other races if not the actual condoning of violence towards them is baffling. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you want to go preaching hate towards others, you certainly won't be doing it here.

V-man · Post by **V-man** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:31 pm

TheLifeforce wrote:Its somehow a bad double morality in europe handling the historys cruelty in some way and prohibiting
those symbols in games like "The Suffering" or "Blood Rayne", "RTCW" and all the games dealing with this.Cause i think everybody could understand the message of these games, that theres no connection of these games to any racism fundamentalism ground work...

All to true. Insanity here in Germany however even surpasses censorship of computer games. For example to this day it is impossible to get a license plate for your car containing "ss". No sane person would make a reference to the "Schutzstaffel" of WW2 in daily life. It's a common practice to have your initials on your license plate. But if you have the bad luck to have a name wich initials are "evil" - end of discussion.

This is not the only thing that vexes me. My initials are ok (for the time being that is), but from my point of view this is complete madness.

Well, looking nto jails, you do see people waring Swatikas and such and why prohibiting it in games, which just give an impression of what it looks like behind the big curtains?

Uh, weeeeell... To be honest, I'm not all that curious about looking into the jails. But I belive as an adult everybody should be able to decide what he or she wants to see or what not. If somebody can't stand swastikas - nobody forces him to play the games you named above.

So prohibiting is in my opinion a wrong turn...and shows a bad double morality. But...

Yes and I even think that banning symbols actually is counterproductive. If you supress those groops they get even more the opinion that they are "fighting for justice" and "for the right thing". And: they'll do so in secrecy! Those groops are - at least I think so - much, much more dangerous and fanatical.

I find this sites disgusting, because these racists blaim wrong persons for their situation.

Well, it sounds stupid, I know, but: just don't look at them! I totally agree with you. These people are wrong. But if they hide'n hate, things won't be any better. In my oppinion mankind lacks one important thing: communication. Yes, I signed up to their supremacy-boards and yes, I talked to them. There's a bunch of total losers, depressed alcohol-addicts - and there are people who actually do have a point. Don't get me wrong: I don't speek up for their ideals. I speak up for them. Talk to them. Respectfully tell them that you have another point of view. While it might really be dangerous to speak to the swastika-tattooed skinhad on the street, I think the internet is a good platform to talk to each other (that is if different oppinions don't make you sick on principle - and if they are wrong a thousand times!).

(Oh my, I'm mutating into a liberal...

)

Its not the fault of asylum-seekers or immigrants which causes job problems, its the fault of politics and politicians and or possibly their own faults?! and as such, these racists should blaim them and or themselfs for their job crisis or frustrations.

I can say here: of course! Why? Because I know. But how are they supposed to know if nobody tells them?

Also i blieve and think, that "freedom" and "freedom of speech" has borders....an important border is reached, when someone penetrates others and their lifes (their freedom) or if different cultures where put in rankings like, whoÂ´s worth to live and whoÂ´s not! WhoÂ´s worth to live in once land and whoÂ´s not (not talking about asylum laws here only about personal subjective views) for ex. "that guy is colored and doesnt deserve living here in MY LAND" and other sayings of this matter.

All this is true. But another (christian) point at the double morality: abortion (insidiously murder of the unborn) is widely accepted. And here people not only dare to decide that one may not live in this or that country - but may not live at all! As long as unborn life is snuffed out a thousand times a day, how can we even rest at night? Once mankind has found the strength to overcome mass-murder, it may have reached a level where we are able to solve other things like the problems of some people with asylum.

For me theres a big difference in understanding and interpretation on "speech of freedom" between this this "racism crap" and for example the song "cop-killer" from ICE-T (1992) which was related to the brutality of police against Rodney King!

This is your good right and I'd agree with you. But for others it isn't. So if we don't want to go back to caves, we have to find some kind of compromise. That is what society is all about. Violence against blacks is a big subject today. And we can be glad that it is! Ignorance and indifference would be very dangerous. But what you forget: supremacists also feel supressed. And it's not a matter of if they are or if they are not. They they that they are. So society has to find a solution for it. ("No, you are not supressed. Now shut the f'ck up and get lost!" is none, btw...)

Scaryfun wrote:I still don't know what this topic was referring to, but equating homosexuality which is a person's sexual orientation and between consenting adults to that of racial supremacist groups which encourage hatred of other races if not the actual condoning of violence towards them is baffling.

For you that is. Actually you really are not the first one to say so and I'm not the only one who has a different point of view about it. Now who's right? I don't think we can settle for anything. For an atheist there's maybe "nothing wrong" with homosexuality, but hatemongers are criminals. For a christian both is very wrong. Perhaps we even find someone who states that the first is a "crime against nature" and the last is "a necessity". Three people, three oppinions. Now is that really such a bad thing after all?

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you want to go preaching hate towards others, you certainly won't be doing it here.

I don't think, that people would come to a board like this to spread political belief. There are a lot of "better" places for that, I think. But still I find nothing wrong with discussing a few political statements with the community. If you want an all apolitical board, you should close threads like this (though I see no need for it right now).

If you however ban users who can't express themselves even in at least a half-decent way and start screaming like "kill them n'ggers!" or "hang all fascists!!", I can more than understand it. The community here surely doesn't need them.

V-man

Post by **InsaneFury** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:23 pm

Actually, I'm surprised that covering this topic isn't banned from the Forum Rules already. As interesting as this topic might be, some people might still find discussing such things shouldn't be in a PC Game Legends forum...

Then again, this is the 'Smalltalk' section, which is suited for discussing thoughts on life, so what the hey. But note that we'll be keeping an eye on this topic to make sure the comments don't get out of hand.

freakboy · Post by **freakboy** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:21 pm

You mean this?
http://dl2.dumpalink.com/media/P2fBi8af ... WbFu8T.wmv

I found this on nforce.

Post by **hfric** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:09 pm