Intel CORE 2 DUO CPU + SP3 DUAL CORE CPU`s HOTFIX ???

Post by **hurenBock** » Sat May 31, 2008 11:10 am

hi

yesterday ive heard from a friend that CORE 2 DUO CPU`s wont function proberly

when the Service Pack 3 isnt installed cause the SP3 for XP contains a small HOTFIX specially for DUAL CORE CPU´s and AMD ones....

he said something about the SpeedStep technology by INTEL that causes some problems when using an DUAL CORE CPU with XP that hasnt installed the SP 3 ( ive seen that SPEEDSTEP option in my BIOS )

so i started to think about installing SP3 on my system

and then i also read something about an cmd in the windows boot.ini

its this one :

" /pmtimer " ( w/o quotes )

when those 2 things r done DUAL CORE CPU`s will work like they should......

well i can just say what he telled me and what ive found on the net...
so if anything`s wrong dont blame me for it

otiscrusher · Post by **otiscrusher** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:57 pm

telled

told

when those 2 things r done DUAL CORE CPU`s will work like they should......

WinXP can't work with such type of CPU correctly. I doubt any patches will help...

Post by **hurenBock** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:43 pm

like i said

i never said this

otiscrusher · Post by **otiscrusher** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:27 am

You know, Intel and AMD produces Quad-cores but they are useless. Programmers can't optimize soft under dual-cores but Intel and AMD offeres even with more cores. So stupid, some ppl even buy quades LOL, crazy stuff.

When you go to any shop some consultant always says: "Buy quad-core its 100 times faster!" I always laugh at their faces.

The same story is with 9800GX2. I went to shop a couple days ago and some consultant began to tell me how 9800GX2 is better then 8800GTX. He said: "Man, 100 times faster, incredible perfomance!" I told him to stop bulshitting me with this nonsense. But he couldn't stop. What a moron, jesus. Then I realized that all ppl there are taken from street, they have no idea what are they talking about, not a damn clue. Even if you show them that you're perfectly aquainted with the situation on the market and in the tech world. The funny thing is such ppl are everywhere...

Post by **Trey** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:48 am

It's all bullshit. Nothing but numbers. Just like motorheads going on and on about their cars horsepower. Sure a Ferrari will do 200Mph on a track, but you're just going to drive it on regular streets, so all that rediculous power is useless. Sure, a dual 64 is potentally crazy fast, but... almost nothing is made to take advantage of it. What's the point? The salesman is just waiting for a rich retard to walk in and get a boner when he hears the numbers. Then he can brag to all his rich retarded friends how super cool his new computer is.

Post by **hurenBock** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:07 am

@TREY lol i dont believe that you would buy i.e an P4e 3.2 SINGLE CORE CPU instead of an
INTEL QUAD CORE CPU.... sure the power it offers cant be used nowadays but the time will come and we are definitive not far from that point

UPS.... what i forgot to say :

EVERYBODY WHO`s USING an DUAL CORE CPU SHOULD ADD THIS COMMAND IN HIS BOOT.INI " /usepmtimer " ( without quotes )

on most systems the last CMD in the boot.ini is that one >

/fastdetect

after adding " the /usepmtimer " CMD it should look like that ......

/fastdetect /usepmtimer

then save and restart.......
i made this by myself and didnt ran into any trouble....
.....i suggest you guys try it out......

( this COMMAND should increase the usage of DUAL CORE CPU`s under winXP, this is not needed for VISTA )

OK BACK TO THE THREAD :

lol sure he wont say that to you.......cause he wants to sell something......
if you want to sell something you wouldnt say " the product u want to buy is useless " to a customer....would you ???

well, but after all its right.......RIGHT NOW......no application make`s use of the power a QUAD CPU delivers....

but programs will make use of it in the near future......thats pretty sure......

so buying a QUAD CPU isnt that stupid as it seems in the first moment.....

Post by **InsaneFury** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:19 pm

Actually, I bought a quad core. Can't say that I notice much performance gain, infact loading Windows and the related 'updated' programs seem to run slower than their previous (but outdated) counterparts.

I was still using Adobe CS1 when suddenly 'unknown program errors' would occur. Apparently, that old suite doesn't support the multiprocessor architecture so I was forced to upgrade to something even slower.

Post by **Trey** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:50 pm

Maybe I was being a little harsh.

But the fact still remains, there's no real practical reason to buy a quad, except to be able to point to the specs and go, "Look at that!".

jjim · Post by **jjim** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:01 pm

otiscrusher wrote:You know, Intel and AMD produces Quad-cores but they are useless. Programmers can't optimize soft under dual-cores but Intel and AMD offeres even with more cores. ..

Well it depends what you want to do with your PC and what apps you are running - I have a dual core 2.66 . I know a guy with a quad core - we both use xp sp2. It takes me about 12 hours to re-encode a 2hr bluray movie. Using the same programes it takes him 3 hrs. So quad is definitely faster. ( BTW I have an old p4 2.4 single core- Trying the same process ETA = 90 HRS - Lol i didn't wait to see tho).

Post by **loki1985** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:56 pm

Trey wrote:Maybe I was being a little harsh. But the fact still remains, there's no real practical reason to buy a quad, except to be able to point to the specs and go, "Look at that!".

just because you don't have any ideas what these extra CPU cycles can be used for doesn't mean they are unneccessary.

otiscrusher · Post by **otiscrusher** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:29 pm

just because you don't have any ideas what these extra CPU cycles can be used for doesn't mean they are unneccessary.

When they'll be really useful, all modern quades will be like 386 now.

Every new technology is always too early, especially for the common ppl, like us. Quades will be really neccessary in 2012. I remember when P4 came out... just wasted money (Northwood, especially). Dual is more then enough now, even with the bollox Vista.

Post by **loki1985** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:16 pm

otiscrusher wrote:
just because you don't have any ideas what these extra CPU cycles can be used for doesn't mean they are unneccessary.
When they'll be really useful, all modern quades will be like 386 now. Every new technology is always too early, especially for the common ppl, like us. Quades will be really neccessary in 2012. I remember when P4 came out... just wasted money (Northwood, especially). Dual is more then enough now, even with the bollox Vista.

when you are talking about office use, gaming, surfing the web, maybe you are right.
but out there there are actually people who can make good use of the extra cycles: video coding, multithreaded compilers, RDP session servers, and much more....

seems you guys don't work in IT

Post by **Virgil** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:30 pm

loki1985 wrote:when you are talking about office use, gaming, surfing the web, maybe you are right.
but out there there are actually people who can make good use of the extra cycles: video coding, multithreaded compilers, RDP session servers, and much more....

seems you guys don't work in IT

Yep, I got P4 Quad with 8 gigs of RAM at work and 20 users running not so resource-hungry program can keep it busy.

otiscrusher · Post by **otiscrusher** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:41 pm

but out there there are actually people who can make good use of the extra cycles: video coding, multithreaded compilers, RDP session servers, and much more....

Heh, optimization is a really long-time thing. Remember Geforce 3, the first card with shaders? When it was really useful it was very outdated and showed ridicules perfomance. The same thing with al new and not so new hardware. Until OS is fully ready for multicores they are useless. In a few next years your precious quades will be absolete.

Yep, I got P4 Quad with 8 gigs of RAM at work and 20 users running not so resource-hungry program can keep it busy.

I just hope they aren't trying to work ya to death.

Post by **loki1985** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:49 am

Virgil wrote:Yep, I got P4 Quad with 8 gigs of RAM at work and 20 users running not so resource-hungry program can keep it busy.

i would be happy with such a thing. here at work (among many other things) i have to administrate a Xeon Quad with only 4 Gigs of RAM, running W2k3 SMB. mainly an exchange machine, we got VMs running on that machine for Sharepoint Portal Server, one extra for MS Dynamics CRM, and one extra for limited RDP sessions from internet. plus currently 7 VMs for projects in Virtual Server.

i really could use two times/four times the RAM and an octocore/two quads instead of the current configuration